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I had Bart that was next door to Kris @Oregon Motorsports 2000 do my floors with the Xtreme Coatings . I think it came out very well is not slick and looks good .
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cast texture ...right on.. thanks... PPC does our powder for us.. will have them do that for the dash panel, and floor pieces
no need to bling you.. lol nice typoo teach!
we have a gallon of herculiner... bought it a few years ago to do our own but have yet to crack the can. spendy stuff... but effective.
we might use that on the inside of the panels for vibration?
does anyone do that?
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shopteacher
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shock droop... placement seemed to determine itself
and the gauge set from speedhut
go HONKERSHOP and falcon aviation gauges
front floor plate going in to be fitted (someone measured too big... thanks curtis)
that will allow the pedals and seats to be set
movable light bar in process and the front suspension is ready to string out
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Like the gauges.
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Well, My wife and I visited the honkershop saturday to check out the new car, looking very good. Theme cars are fun.
Got a very nice ,informational tour from Ty I think. The gauges and dash are going to be very cool..
Cant wait to see this one in the sand this fall. 
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glad to have you by.. YEP, TY was the honkershop dude who helped you out. he was the guy there for all of the little red buggy's a-arm design and fab, and there for the wildside large scale a-arms. loves to build
i was busy officiating the one of many soon to be NADA dodgeball tournaments held in the honkerdome.
i think you will see it in the sand before fall.. if all goes as planned.
goldendale dirt track race.. well.. maybeee not with this one.
bash at the bay... MAYBEEEEEE
Sandcar CHallenge... MAYBEEEEE
Horsfall in the FALL... OH YEAH.....
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shopteacher
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blasters in the house.. thanks brian!
13+ paddles measured 31" and the 33 blasters measure 34"
at full compression... the bottom of the chassis is above the bottom of the tires by about an inch. so if we do bottom out the rear, it should be on the suspension rebound.
plus... they LOOK great with the larger chassis.
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So you only have 1" of ground clearance at full bump?
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shopteacher
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is that enough?
that is what our preliminary estimate is based on the location of the full BUMP and the amount of tire under the hub. 17 inches of tire, 16 inches of frame... so 1 inch give or take. woudl be nice to have full bump and still have tire left... that is why we went with the 33blasters instead of the 13+ paddles.
we figure the tires will squish a bit and the rear will hang out a bit.
might hit the rear on a hard landing.. but not as hard as we did with wildside or class act.
the coilover/Airshocks we have will help us use more of our rear travel than airshocks alone. we anticipate a smooth ride
ride height will be set at the zero camber point about 60% droop based on what mark had us set with his arms. (BCR 4x5, raceprepped 930cv, IMCO spacers and 15 5/8 axles) i think the spacers added some travel to our system by pushing the cv's in a little and allowing a larger range of motion with the axles.
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| shopteacher wrote: | is that enough?
that is what our preliminary estimate is based on the location of the full BUMP and the amount of tire under the hub. 17 inches of tire, 16 inches of frame... so 1 inch give or take. woudl be nice to have full bump and still have tire left... that is why we went with the 33blasters instead of the 13+ paddles.
we figure the tires will squish a bit and the rear will hang out a bit.
might hit the rear on a hard landing.. but not as hard as we did with wildside or class act.
the coilover/Airshocks we have will help us use more of our rear travel than airshocks alone. we anticipate a smooth ride
ride height will be set at the zero camber point about 60% droop based on what mark had us set with his arms. (BCR 4x5, raceprepped 930cv, IMCO spacers and 15 5/8 axles) i think the spacers added some travel to our system by pushing the cv's in a little and allowing a larger range of motion with the axles. |
I personally don't think 1" is enough. I guess it is personal preference. But once you figure in the flex in the tires, maxed out suspension, and the sand giving way under those tires I am guessing you will be bumping the skid plate a lot. unless your second spring is WAY stiff.
I have mine set at 4" and I hit bottom a few times.
I left it at 4" (well Kris did) again after the mods and I will probably need to play with shock pressure and spring rate a little with the new motor to get it right.
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shopteacher
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I personally don't think 1" is enough. I guess it is personal preference. But once you figure in the flex in the tires, maxed out suspension, and the sand giving way under those tires I am guessing you will be bumping the skid plate a lot. unless your second spring is WAY stiff.
I have mine set at 4" and I hit bottom a few times.
I left it at 4" (well Kris did) again after the mods and I will probably need to play with shock pressure and spring rate a little with the new motor to get it right. |
cool.. i think we will end up running a larger springon th ebottom.. maek set us up with the same upper and lower until weknow sprung weight. we figure 1500 on the rear.. but that changes with cantelever and other things related to the weight distrubution.
it should be a larger spring as you get further into the suspension.. bump specifically.
time will tell... yeah.. we are making it pretty close.. but a lot more realistic than wildside or class act for full suspension cycle related to the bottom of the chassis. ALWAYS LEARNING
best of both worlds would be enough clearance to account for tire squish and sand displacement at full bump
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| 1" isnt enough! 4" is just about perfect. If you are bottoming out air shocks try adding more oil. |
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shopteacher
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i think we will have oil in our aishocks to stop the compression before the shock will allow the chassis to bottom out
after cycling the suspension with a uncharged shock.. we will have about 4" maybe a little less inches before the chassis will bottom out. nice nice nice.
HANDUP...do C/O/airshocks continue to compress when the piston nears full compression as they pass through the oil? N2 makes bubbles that foam and slow the seive creating a dampening effect.
with the fox coilover/airshocks... does this work as an internal bump stop?
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I was always told they use N2 because it DOES NOT foam......
And if it did I don't think I would rely on bubbles for my bump stop 
You can get some pretty nice poly/rubber bump stops for pretty cheap through some of the off road shops, Or I would try some of the Air bumps from Fox/King/F-O-A
You will need them if your only going to have 1" ground clearance.
Also Bottoming out on the chassis is HARD on it. Fast way to start getting cracks and bends in your frame.
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shopteacher
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| Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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tru dat.. will know more in the next couple days
ran a set of air-bumps from raceruner on PRICELESS (now living n washington)
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tried to get to jamar... we need some shifter linkage for the js3 shifter we have
no website available.. thoughts?
is the output a standard thread?
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shopteacher
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| shopteacher wrote: | tried to get to jamar...
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nevermind.. the website came back up. noone answers the phone or returns calls though
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instrumentation panel layout... thoughts?
all the important gauges are very visible o the driver and the switches are accessible by both driver AND passenger
yes.. the dash and the hood will have a bit of a blind spot...no more than a regular car hood. the driver side front wheel is very visible from the driver by leaning a bit to the left. easy.
rear shock mounts.. triangulated and cycled for the "sweet spot"
the shock cycles and the coils clear the frame and allow for max movement of the rear arms. still about 20 inches once the straps stretch.
 
 
press in end caps to clean up the open tube on the shock mounts will come as soon as everyone has a chance to see the heat horizon inside the tube as evidence of a good weld.
4 o'clock came quickly today with only a few to work in the shop.
track season and build season overlap.
motor mounts in... ready to sit on TWO of its FOUR legs.
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quote:Also Bottoming out on the chassis is HARD on it. Fast way to start getting cracks and bends in your frame.quote;
It is also very hard on your back, I am pretty sure that is what happened to mess mine up.
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shopteacher
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by our measurements... we shouldnt bottom out
might add a larger spring on the secondary if needed... right now we run 350 top and bottom as per mark's recommendation until we get our final rear suspension finalized. then we go to shock angle, sprung weight, and preferred ride height.
yeah... bottom out.. not good for your buggy or body frame.
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| shopteacher wrote: | by our measurements... we shouldnt bottom out
might add a larger spring on the secondary if needed... right now we run 350 top and bottom as per mark's recommendation until we get our final rear suspension finalized. then we go to shock angle, sprung weight, and preferred ride height.
yeah... bottom out.. not good for your buggy or body frame. |
If you only have 1" ground clearance you WILL bottom out, I have 4" and I don't think I'm out of the woods on that one.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 4:52 pm Post subject: HONKERSHOP march 19 |
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MARCH 19
after flipping it over and welding out the underbelly... gettin the floor in and layin out, fabbing, and finishing out the rear suspension it is sitting on its own support (jack stands are there to keep it level when in/out while doing the front arms)
we leaerned from WILDSIDE... use 11 ga steel for the rear skid plate and 1/4 inch al for front floors. probably some expanded metal under the seats to keep the sticks from jabbing you where you would not want a stick.
casey, cody came in this am and got the rear cage finished and reinstalled
layed out measured 3x and cut the first arms for the front end.
we have a safety inspection this week... so the shop was cleaned thoroughly
the dash is coming together... curtis is spending a lot of time LOOKING at it and making sure he has all the right holes...
got the couplers for the shifter and made the steering linkage permanent.
shouldnt be long before it rolls on its own suspension.. then a few wires and BOMBS AWAY.
waiting on the results of graphics from stickers and chaos for the p-40 theme. anyone have DECENT bette paige?
enjoy....thoughts?
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Looking good teach
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